Needs More Support Make LPR Back into a NPR or Let OTA Deploy there to guard that place

[MetrocopBrazil]

getting -support bombed by all rebel mains but like

its either that or rebels get to do whatever they want at any time they want

its not fun for CCA, OTA can just get shot in the back on their way to OZ and literally only gives combine soldiers reasons to remain on nexus and make CCA not want to leave plaza

 

[TheSilverDude]

-Support

Not a rebel main, I just like the motel

 

[MetrocopBrazil]

-Support

Not a rebel main, I just like the motel

there's also option two called Let OTA stay there to make rebels think twice before grouping up in LPR

 

[LifetimeThiccness]

TBH i think ya'll are just not used to fighting in such a open environment. Give it time and im sure you'll adapt. Also today there was a large amount of heavily armed rebs with plenty of game sense. CCA aint winning against that unless they commit to repeatedly attacking, instead of dying once and instantly either rage quitting, or hiding in the nexus. Yall literally loose nothing- WHAT are you so cautious about?


As for the OTA, the two attacks i participated in, was mostly won cause the OTA had shit tactics, and no special awareness. In the second attack, we snuck across the entire outlands mostly out in the open to flank a squad of OTA camping the LPR entrance. If they had looked behind them EVEN ONCE, we most definitely would have died. One of the OTA even admitted that.

 

[LifetimeThiccness]

And for the first one, The last OTA nearly had it, but he forgot how to count and let his guard down. (Really, i think he thought he killed me, but still. He got careless.)

 

[MetrocopBrazil]

If they had looked behind them EVEN ONCE, we most definitely would have died.

we were building a Hardpoint and i got attacked while i was typing getting me to low hp not letting me do much


also regarding to 'what im so cautious about' its mostly the fact that LPR will definitely be a Rebel nest most of the time considering it wont be a area so oftenly patrolled and its far from the rest of the city, meaning that OTA will struggle getting to the OZ and coming back from it

 

[cabby]

yeah mediumkey the lpr is SO much better for rp and combat both ive had more rebel rp and much more fair combat both as and against cca than in the map integrated darkrp dupe that is the apartment blocks again give it time several servers before us have had the lpr as the grey zone area where rebels are at constantly it should be fine -1

 

[cabby]

we were building a Hardpoint and i got attacked while i was typing getting me to low hp not letting me do much


also regarding to 'what im so cautious about' its mostly the fact that LPR will definitely be a Rebel nest most of the time considering it wont be a area so oftenly patrolled and its far from the rest of the city, meaning that OTA will struggle getting to the OZ and coming back from it

this was kind of the entire point atleast according to others lpr was made to have the motel be accesed ad rebelled at way more and move combat there than in city which is working

 

[LifetimeThiccness]

I don't think OP is appreciating the reasons why the NPR became a LPR in the first place;

It gives rebs who dont have sledges, or the means to even make sledges the ability to still play reb.

And perhaps most importantly, it gives the OTA and rebs an actual legal, high traffic staging ground to kill eachother that was missing for pretty much the entirety of the server's existence. And now OTA and rebs are roughly in the same power level, the fights are actually fun! Barring incredibly successful ambushes, the fights seem to end with both sides taking heavy losses, which im taking to be a really good thing.

Also the motel is just amazing for RP! Its a nice spacious area for people to interact with eachother!

 

[cabby]

I don't think OP is appreciating the reasons why the NPR became a LPR in the first place;

It gives rebs who dont have sledges, or the means to even make sledges the ability to still play reb.

And perhaps most importantly, it gives the OTA and rebs an actual legal, high traffic staging ground to kill eachother that was missing for pretty much the entirety of the server's existence. And now OTA and rebs are roughly in the same power level, the fights are actually fun! Barring incredibly successful ambushes, the fights seem to end with both sides taking heavy losses, which im taking to be a really good thing.

Also the motel is just amazing for RP! Its a nice spacious area for people to interact with eachother!

lpr genuinly makes me feel like we need to stay on t6 for another few months cus holy shit 10x more fair combat and 10x more rp ive had more rp with people who usually just minge and do ooc stuff than any other map

 

[MetrocopBrazil]

And now OTA and rebs are roughly in the same power level, the fights are actually fun! Barring incredibly successful ambushes, the fights seem to end with both sides taking heavy losses, which im taking to be a really good thing.

oh yeah lets ignore the fact that OTA is never the one to attack first and rebels can just pretend to be normal civs and bomb the OTA squad on their way to OZ

OTA vs Rebel fights are oftenly basically a 'wins who attacks first' and rebels basically get a advantage due to the fact that OTA will never be the first to attack unless a certain condition called JW is met, which by the way just makes every rebel vanish

Rebels can just turn the fact that LPR is ota's only way to outlands into a free loot farm

btw not wanting to be ruder than i usually am but your reply sounded like it was written by an AI

 

[cabby]

oh yeah lets ignore the fact that OTA is never the one to attack first and rebels can just pretend to be normal civs and bomb the OTA squad on their way to OZ

OTA vs Rebel fights are oftenly basically a 'wins who attacks first' and rebels basically get a advantage due to the fact that OTA will never be the first to attack unless a certain condition called JW is met, which by the way just makes every rebel vanish

Rebels can just turn the fact that LPR is ota's only way to outlands into a free loot farm

btw not wanting to be ruder than i usually am but your reply sounded like it was written by an AI

i get this but.... this would happen either way? any map that has a ota area thats not literally near innaccesible ota will always get suprised same with cca this is literally just the map being normal along with the gameplay

 

[MetrocopBrazil]

this would happen either way?

in a way yes, but wouldn't be very often(in fact with the NPR becoming LPR it was the first time me and my OTA squad actually got attacked on our way to the gate and also on our way back where we actually died).

for anything like that to happen before the LPR the rebel would have to remained there, not be seen by the OTA and somehow convince other rebels to bring things to ambush the OTA

now they can just camp there pretending to be normal civs minding their business and soon as the OTA is opening the gate attack them

LPR gives rebels a huge amount of advantage to the point that if it is not kept in check properly rebels can just make LPR be a huge loot farm

 

[LifetimeThiccness]

Honestly? I think utilizing drones should be alot more common to midigate that problem- cause you're right it IS a problem- even if rebs shoot them down, it would give OTA a good heads up of whats about to happen, and from where. Have drones scout the route ahead for OTA squads, hell im ok with having it be legal for OTA to search the motel before they head to the OZ. Sure, rebs will just stash their shit until they're gone, but we're already discussing storage changes to make that not so easy.

But the easy access to the PR is important because its a pretty big part of the map that hasnt been utilized at all up until this point, and rebs DO need a way to loot the map without level 6 in crafting. And just making it accessible while having it be a NPR just wouldnt work cause... well.... its a big ass open field with perfect sightlines for refugees to get shot long before they get anywhere even CLOSE to the motel.

Synapse gets around this by forcing would be snipers to intentionally miss their shots but.... Thats retarted for a large number of reasons,

Having OTA just sitting in the zone is not a good idea IMO because that just makes it so the people living there can't do ANYTHING without a big bloke in armor peering over their shoulder in what is SUPPOSED to be a more beginner friendly refugee area.

 

[MetrocopBrazil]

Honestly? I think utilizing drones should be alot more common to midigate that problem- cause you're right it IS a problem- even if rebs shoot them down, it would give OTA a good heads up of whats about to happen, and from where. Have drones scout the route ahead for OTA squads, hell im ok with having it be legal for OTA to search the motel before they head to the OZ. Sure, rebs will just stash their shit until they're gone, but we're already discussing storage changes to make that not so easy.

But the easy access to the PR is important because its a pretty big part of the map that hasnt been utilized at all up until this point, and rebs DO need a way to loot the map without level 6 in crafting. And just making it accessible while having it be a NPR just wouldnt work cause... well.... its a big ass open field with perfect sightlines for refugees to get shot long before they get anywhere even CLOSE to the motel.

Synapse gets around this by forcing would be snipers to intentionally miss their shots but.... Thats retarted for a large number of reasons,

Having OTA just sitting in the zone is not a good idea IMO because that just makes it so the people living there can't do ANYTHING without a big bloke in armor peering over their shoulder in what is SUPPOSED to be a more beginner friendly refugee area.

thank you for seeing my point

and honestly the idea of OTA being allowed to search the motel before going to the OZ is nice

 

[DarthSidious.exe]

I do agree that storage box are a issue, HOWEVER i hope that this situation will help OTA learn to work as a squad and be more strategic, yesterday we shadow raided the motel against 2 rebels and won because we flanked and used proper tactics, Yes rebels will always have advantage if they are attacking first, same if they know your coming. this is why OTA player must learn to use their grenades effectively, for instance, use the tear gas tocover your backs or interdict a place while your checking a appartement ect ect.

TLDR: there is issues with storage box yes but proper competency and spatial awareness is on the ota /cca player fault
(one entire PT got wiped because all their guns were aimed at the same place)

 

[Kulliam]

-Support
Each time I ambushed OTA in LPR, it was always due to their own mistake of not watching their back and not having any form of game sense.

First ambush was two OTA that were both looking forward, not watching their back. I killed the OWS first, leaving an APF alone, who proceeded to waste his ammo by shooting a wall. I then pushed up and killed him.

Second ambush was when OTA were doing a shadow raid on the motel, where I managed to kill two OTA (OWS and EOW), they ended up killing me and my partner in crime due to their numbers and the fact they used their heads this time around.

Third ambush was when OTA were returning from OZ, I gathered a group of rebels to ambush them in LPR, with an FN Fal, 2 MP7s and an USP. We managed to take them down but not without heavy losses (including me, FN Fal guy carried)

Fourth ambush was when OTA got shot in LPR, retreated to OZ and were setting up checkpoint while waiting for us to push. We decided to loop around the entire OZ, scattering them with a pipebomb and then picking them off. Not to mention they never once turned around or looked around the area to check if we're ambushing them.

I think the LPR is a good choice to have, Combat is finally fair and fun without having to camp the Nexus doors or camp in RB-1. It's also a new area for RP, due to how clamped it is and people will finally interact with each other in the Motel. I saw someone open up shop there as a CWU in the cafeteria. OTA and CCA just sometimes lack game-sense and think rushing in head-first/wasting your ammo trying to suppress someone is a good strategy. Especially when they're fighting rebels with game-sense, they'll die due to them not using any tactics or strategy. LPR will take time to adjust to, but you also need to work on your skills, and realize LPR is not friendly anymore, you need to stay on high alert each time you pass through. Ask Scanners to check the area or ask CCA to clear the area before deploying. Use your heads. Work smarter not harder.

 

[Pit]

- support

The whole point of LPR is for rebels to have their little zone to do rebel things. LPR is LOW PRIORITY which means CCA and OTA shouldn't honestly care about what goes on out there too much. If there is a holdout there combine would be more likely to either wait it out or bomb it with headcrab cannisters.

Since we don't have cannisters just close the fields and patrol the city, check the fields, laundry building and incinerator room for unlocked doors. Rebels will either get bored and disband, RP, or make moonshine like crazy.

 

[cabby]

in a way yes, but wouldn't be very often(in fact with the NPR becoming LPR it was the first time me and my OTA squad actually got attacked on our way to the gate and also on our way back where we actually died).

for anything like that to happen before the LPR the rebel would have to remained there, not be seen by the OTA and somehow convince other rebels to bring things to ambush the OTA

now they can just camp there pretending to be normal civs minding their business and soon as the OTA is opening the gate attack them

LPR gives rebels a huge amount of advantage to the point that if it is not kept in check properly rebels can just make LPR be a huge loot farm

this COULD happen but everytime ota gone to lpr not once yet have they suitted up on ota i and kul can attest we killed 2 eow's and put a odl on 6 hp and we where suited the ENTIRE time same with any other of our succesful npr attacks from what ive seen theres people who are suitted literally 24/7 at npr either just roleplaying or guarding plus the rebel suit sneak attacks arent really ever a issue if your just vigilant enough to see some dude duck around a corner or something i get "oh they can ambush now on their way to oz" but thats literally always going to happen on any map in one form or another the only reason oz fights didnt happen before was cus 0 ota actually wanted to go to oz but after lpr ota both: have gone to oz alot more, and have had actual oz AND lpr combat again when lpr was closed the sneak attack issue was 10x worse before lpr too the apartments where a hellhole where some dude would just get searched wait for cca to go upstairs suit up and kill them all god forbid the cca are standing still in plaza and dont notice you duck behind a corner you just never saw that cus ota had nowhere to actually fight beforehand it doesnt help that theres a excess of very experienced rebel players too but alot of newer cca/combine are new to even impulse or gmod itself and svs are barely on without them being scanner dagger 0 was around the one time he stopped us and though he took heavy losses he still killed us cus hes used to coordination and combat even playing cca from time to time

 

[cabby]

and on the topic of the boxxes i want to remind people you arent a tank nobody is no matter how much armor they have on this server i got suprissed by cca once at lpr locked myself in a room with nothing but 16 hp and a usp and either heavily damaged or nearly killed the dvl who ran at me with a spas even on just 16 hp even if your suprised that doesnt mean your fucked and just insta dead as the guy on the other side is just as spongy as you especially if your ota i try not to be toxic when saying this and admittedly have gone overboard trying to shove it in peoples face but cca and ota (albeit ota a lil less) currently have heavy leadership issues during combat and again lotsa combine are newer while rebs are established people whove played for a while or from other servers unfortunately right now most combine players especially at lower ranks cant take the rebs that easily no matter what tactic the rebs using god forbid their more coordinated than the combine which they have been recently consistently